Simple Summary For The ‘New’ Carol’s Birth

The transition of the young Carol to the spirit-world, and the entrance of the successor Carol to complete her life’s mission, is a complex situation.  The new Carol, after picking up and carry onward the young Carol’s life, would go forward to accomplish important work.  We will cover some of this in the following posts.  For now, I wish to address this transition process in the most simple terms so that all can follow the astrology and the deeper meanings behind this event.


First, I want us to go back to Goethe’s fairy tale and consider the Youth-Prince and Lily.  Lily was found in a sort-of ‘waiting area’ in the spiritual world, a place where nothing flowered although the lush vegetation was evident.  Why was this detail put into the fairy tale?  Nothing was meant to change here, all was prepared.  The Youth-Prince had visited here in his dreams.  It was expected that he would be prepared to consciously awaken in order to rejoin Lily in the proper manner.  Instead he was confused and unable to carry-out his dream instructions.

We know now what happened.  He blundered into the spirit-realm unprepared and ended up dying, being rescued, brought back into a more aware life, given the proper preparation, and then was reunited with the beautiful Lily.  In this sense, the Prince was the physical life, Lily was the spiritual awareness, and both represented the coming together of awareness within one person.  The part about the Wisp encircling them both with his flames was a bit that I added to indicate the full spiritual blessing of this awareness.

Now, we have for young Carol a worked-out agreement to relieve her of those burdens that had weakened her and proved to be too much for her to bear.  A new spiritual being had been given instruction, love, support and more tools to take her place.  This ‘walk-in’ of one soul into the body of another is heady stuff to think about.  According to author Ruth Montgomery, this is common.  The book by this successor soul, Messengers of Hope, also claims this is somewhat common.  We have to accept this for the purpose of understanding and following this story.  So, let us consider the chart we will use for this discussion.

The ‘Double Diurnal’ chart is actually an event chart.  The application of the Double Diurnal term merely designates that an Advanced chart was its source of derivation.  Onc can be considered relative to the other.  This chart, set for 7:20 AM on November 1, 1980 is a ‘birth chart’ for the successor Carol entity.  She has inherited the life-situation of young Carol, but she has her own mission to take on after she adapts to her present situation and can find a way to move on from there.  Let us look at the challenges of this birth-entrance chart.


Young Carol had an MC of lofty goals (26 Sagittarius) in her natal chart (not shown here). The “MC” is the highest point in the chart, the point where the noon-time Sun would be if the chart was calculated for noon-time.  Sagittarius is a sign associated with loft goals, free spirits, and exploration.

Successor Carol, in the chart shown above for the time when the ‘walk-in transfer’ was completed (and the child was born)  has a very different MC point.  If we look at the inner wheel of the chart above, we find the MC as being located at 5 Virgo.  AND, we also find the transiting (current at that moment) planet PLUTO at this location.  Pluto is the glyph of a small circle in a crescent with a cross below it.  Pluto is an intensity, focus, transformation, life-and-death issues, irrevocable change.  For a very small planet which is very far away, Pluto has great power in the right situation.

This difference in goal definition is highlighted by examining young Carol’s chart shown in the outer wheel area.  Her natal Sun was in early Aquarius, the zodiac sign marked by the two parallel waves.  Aquarius has lofty and idealistic intentions; these couldn’t be achieved by young Carol under the circumstances she found herself in.

Successor Carol’s Sun is in the zodiac sign of Scorpio; this glyph looks like an “M” with a curved tail.  Scorpio is an intense ‘feeling’ sign, conferring ability to deeply probe into the feelings and intentions of others and oneself, seeking deep understanding of the world.  Note that successor-Carol’s Sun (circle with a dot in it) is joined by Neptune (the glyph that looks like a pitch-fork), Venus (the circle with a cross below it) and Jupiter (looks like a “4”).  Common meanings for these planets involve spiritual orientation (Neptune), love (Venus), intention and character (Sun) and expanding opportunities (Jupiter).  We can see by this single pattern that the successor Carol arrived with many tools at her disposal.

By continuing our examination of the two Sun’s, we can find more to think about.  The new Carol’s ability to balance dreams and opportunities has many complexities to face.  The younger Carol left her with a situation (six young children, a home to take care of, a mostly uncaring and absent husband, a mother who had strong expectations as to how she should live her life).   Just by looking at the two Sun positions, one in Scorpio, one in Aquarius, we can see that they form a “square’ to each other — a “square” is a pattern of 90 degrees (more or less) between two astrological bodies.

The successor Carol’s Sun is in a feeling, deep understanding, probing zodiac sign.  Young Carol’s Sun was in an idealistic, lofty thinking and altruistic sign–Aquarius.  This sign doesn’t like to get its hands dirty, isn’t that great dealing with one-on-one challenges that are up-close-and-personal.  So, the two Carols approach to dealing with a demanding home life situation and being prepared to move onward to deal with greater life-missions is very different.

This new Carol is challenged, yes, by the hard work and Spartan social life and lack of praise and accolades  (Vesta at 8 Leo) and the marriage situation she inherited (n/Juno at 6 Aquarius).  But, successor Carol has a mission, a mission she was given by the light-spirit, a mission she accepted and remembers, and is supported by an ability to recall all of the strong support whenever she needs it.  So, let us go back and understand what the above references to Vesta and Juno mean.

  • Vesta is one of the first four major asteroids found between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter.  Vesta was a Roman vestal-virgin, a symbol of purity and dedication.  Today, in astrology, we see Vesta representing dedication to a purpose, hard work, the role of a sister (or friend) who can be counted upon to help.
  • Juno is another of these ‘first-four’ and largest asteroids.  Juno relates to husband-wife relationships, freedom, an advisor, a commitment to love.  The Roman’s saw Juno as the wife of Zeus who had many relationships with many women and who fathered many children.  Yet, Juno continued to play her role as wife and advisor while also maintaining her own independent spirit.

The new Carol was aware of, and capable of handling these issues, the characters who represented the marriage she would inherit.

Successor Carol brings Mercury-Ascendant forward as an ability to rationalize and talk her way toward her goals.  The Ascendant is the point on the left side of the chart at the horizontal line.  This is where the Sun rises in the morning.  The Ascendant represent the situation we are in, what we are dealing with now.  With Mercury here, she understands challenges and how to negotiate and frame them.  Opposite this Ascendant point is transiting Mars at the Descendant.  The Descendant, where the Sun sets, represents ‘others’ and how we handle relationships.  Mars (the circle with the arrow above) is our challenges, fights, energy focus.  She will have to deal with that husband and what she has — six children, a household to run, little extra time and rest for herself.  This chart seems to “prove” that Pluto on the MC is not for the feint of heart.

So, we have used some very simple approaches to define the primary aspects of this chart, this situation that one soul abandoned and one soul adopted.  We have not had to go into complex ‘astro-babble’ talk to describe the situation.  Astrology should be just this simple and direct.

In the next postings we will follow Carol to a point in her life where she came into direct physical contact with the spiritual force that gave her the challenges she took upon herself.  This is a most moving experience.  And, we will learn more about the life-work of this woman.  Dave. 


About dadsnook

Dave has been exploring cyclic astrology since the mid-1970's. CYCLIC astrology utilizes both Return charts and planetary-pair cycles for short-term prediction. These practices and four years of archived material are available for study or reading at A new book, Personal Prediction ISBN 978-9-615-63033-5, has been published and the MC-Solar Cycle technique is now supported through a recognized software provider so that all students and practicing astrologers can apply these techniques for their own use. Recently, Dave has been exploring a new charting format:, transiting Moon to natal Sun Return charts. These moon-sun returns show how see seek to maintain or deal with change in our lives. A book is expected to be released in 2015. Contact Dave for details at Dave is a retired business systems analyst and automation systems engineer, enjoys woodcarving and tarot in addition to astrology.
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