Shirley & Her Chiron Experience

Discussion Invitation-J

Centaur and Shirley-J

Shirley MacLaine had a very unique experience.  Others have had Out Of Body journeys, yet, they are not really that common.  Many of us would say that they appear to be rare.  Now, think about how you would respond, think and change after having such an event occur to you?

Most of us, of course, do have these experiences but they occur while sleeping and then ‘vanish’ from our consciousness upon awakening.  While sleeping have you ever felt you were floating above the ground, perhaps only a few inches?  Have you sensed fragments of a dream where you were flying?  These are likely all that you retain of your own Out Of Body events upon waking up.  But, let us get back to Shirley.

Fragment SM Chiron-Desc-Sun

In Shirley’s Advanced chart for the date of her leaving the hot tub with David and her ‘floating’ off into the night sky, we should pay particular attention to the horizontal line-axis at the right side — this is known as the ‘Descendant’ point.  This point define who and how we seek to interact with others.  At this point we find natal Sun (circle with a dot inside, in the outer wheel) and Chiron (the ‘K’ with a circle below it, shown in the inner wheel where transiting planets are shown).

The Sun represents intent, will, our core sense of who/what we are, our lifestyle, character.  Chiron is a large asteroid orbiting between the planets Jupiter and Saturn.  Chiron, in mythology, was the most respected of all the Centaurs — most of the Centaurs were a rowdy and coarse bunch of beings, only a few seemed educated and refined.  Chiron was considered the most noble of them all, being a teacher of medicine, the arts, and astrology.

When using these very special t/Moon-to-n/Sun Return and their daily Advanced charts, we look for planets at the four angles of the chart.  When these angles (which change or advance daily) contact planets, events and realizations occur. The second thing, when using these cyclic charts, to consider is that when a natal planet is contacted we look to its transiting counter-part.  The same for transiting planets, we look for its natal counter-part.  In other words, we are often looking at two planets when one of them is at an angle.

In this case we have t/Chiron and n/Sun at the Descendant.  We also have t/Sun at another angle, the MC, where it is contacting Pluto.  Pluto is the planet of change and transformation, the planet of dying so that one can awaken reborn.  

Shirley, with the Descendant point (interaction with others) joined with natal Sun and transiting Chiron, is literally getting a lesson from the Centaur Chiron.  She is learning about her true nature and the true nature of the world she perceives in everyday life and the universe that she does not see in everyday life.  With the transiting Sun and natal Pluto at the MC area (her goals, image, efforts to grow and develop in life) she is undergoing a transformation.

In these investigations of those who have experienced some path towards, and some form of conscious awareness, there are several astrological patterns that everyone seems to share.  Think about this.

 A given set of astrological symbols suggests a given event, experience.

A given event, experience is indicated by a likely set of astrological symbols.

We have some ten or twelve sets of symbols that seem common in all of the charts that we will be exploring.  Is this Sun-Descendant-Chiron grouping another set of astrological symbols that we should be looking for?  We will have to check this out.  In coming posts we will compare Shirley OOB astrological patterns against those of Goethe and Dr. Alexander, and later, against all of the others to be explored.

Your comments are welcome.  Dave






About dadsnook

Dave has been exploring cyclic astrology since the mid-1970's. CYCLIC astrology utilizes both Return charts and planetary-pair cycles for short-term prediction. These practices and four years of archived material are available for study or reading at A new book, Personal Prediction ISBN 978-9-615-63033-5, has been published and the MC-Solar Cycle technique is now supported through a recognized software provider so that all students and practicing astrologers can apply these techniques for their own use. Recently, Dave has been exploring a new charting format:, transiting Moon to natal Sun Return charts. These moon-sun returns show how see seek to maintain or deal with change in our lives. A book is expected to be released in 2015. Contact Dave for details at Dave is a retired business systems analyst and automation systems engineer, enjoys woodcarving and tarot in addition to astrology.
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